In this video I investigate both the Hive Pack and the Honey Comb (and its upgrades), and see if they’re actually worth using and when they should be used!
Data for this video:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m8Yzx4TliLnl1kpDZMfGeEd8yhvKpujNZ1wUN9umeck
For melee against a skeletron, the hive five is really good option but you have to sacrifice one accessory slot for hive pack but still worth it. Same for ranger when using Bees knee against skeletron and beenade against wof if you want safety strategy.
Unlike bee gun, there's better weapons for it, Demon scythe and gray zapinator are much better and no need to sacrifice one accessory slot for hive pack.
And for hornet, the 2 Flinx, 2 frog and 1 imp is still the best combo and you also don't need to sacrifice a slot for hive pack.
Some insight on why a number of weapons get a much smaller DPS gap with a damage build: the bees themselves face a downside from being big, their greater pierce. Piercing projectiles don't apply immunity frames on their last hit, so small bees deal 9 hits per second while large bees only deal 8. Against high defense targets, big bees still give more DPS due to their better damage, but as armor penetration and damage multipliers increase (and especially if defense reaches 0), big bees start losing their edge entirely. A Ruthless Bee Gun with 9% damage bonus or Mythical with 20% damage bonus (Ruthless rounds up damage while Mythical rounds down due to shenanigans, given how often the thing reaches the iframe limit I'd say Ruthless is better) should start to deal more damage without the hive pack than with when fired on a target with 0 defense.
In practice, big bees and the greater number of bees are useful against Skeletron due to hands and high defense even with necklaces, and better tracking probably helps too. I'd expect a different story against Deerclops, though.
This was extremely well made and informative, good video
Im not the biggest fan of Hive Pack conceptually because when it comes down to it, its just an alternative Avenger emblem that only very few weapons benefit from
Does this mean that if in a multiplayer game multiple players use bee focused weapons they could actually be hurting other players' damage due to i frames?
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i LOVE i-frames in this game
Hive pack sometime not worth and sometime worth.
For melee against a skeletron, the hive five is really good option but you have to sacrifice one accessory slot for hive pack but still worth it. Same for ranger when using Bees knee against skeletron and beenade against wof if you want safety strategy.
Unlike bee gun, there's better weapons for it, Demon scythe and gray zapinator are much better and no need to sacrifice one accessory slot for hive pack.
And for hornet, the 2 Flinx, 2 frog and 1 imp is still the best combo and you also don't need to sacrifice a slot for hive pack.
This is incredibly detailed and informative…Though I fear a visit from ShyGuy in your very near future ShUdDeR
Also had no idea the Honey Comb spawns bees upon damage, Nor that the Hive Pack effect the Hornet minion, Both very good bits of info to of learned!
nice video 🔥
this man does NOT miss.
This dude needs waaay more views
Some insight on why a number of weapons get a much smaller DPS gap with a damage build: the bees themselves face a downside from being big, their greater pierce. Piercing projectiles don't apply immunity frames on their last hit, so small bees deal 9 hits per second while large bees only deal 8. Against high defense targets, big bees still give more DPS due to their better damage, but as armor penetration and damage multipliers increase (and especially if defense reaches 0), big bees start losing their edge entirely. A Ruthless Bee Gun with 9% damage bonus or Mythical with 20% damage bonus (Ruthless rounds up damage while Mythical rounds down due to shenanigans, given how often the thing reaches the iframe limit I'd say Ruthless is better) should start to deal more damage without the hive pack than with when fired on a target with 0 defense.
In practice, big bees and the greater number of bees are useful against Skeletron due to hands and high defense even with necklaces, and better tracking probably helps too. I'd expect a different story against Deerclops, though.
From my personal experience, the Hornet staff + hive pack is better than imp staff
never seen you before but this is a really high quality video mate, nice work
Love it when someone makes a high detailed and effort video on a accessory that I will never use (boomstick superior)
This was extremely well made and informative, good video
Im not the biggest fan of Hive Pack conceptually because when it comes down to it, its just an alternative Avenger emblem that only very few weapons benefit from
very good content you have done a good job
Does this mean that if in a multiplayer game multiple players use bee focused weapons they could actually be hurting other players' damage due to i frames?